Seldo.Weblog: February 2006

Just a smidgen sexier than James Blunt...

...is David Cameron, according to the apparently partially-sighted readers of New Woman magazine.

Blair is probably a bit miffed, but if I was numbers 93-99 I would be really pissed off to be beaten by the podgy-faced leader of the Tories.

Even if I do find his policies worryingly sane-sounding, for a Tory.

Robert

05 February 2006
But has anyone else noticed how similar David Cameron looks to Michael Schumacher? Wonder if he'll win as much...

Robert

06 February 2006
But has anyone else noticed how similar David Cameron looks to Michael Schumacher? Wonder if he'll win as much...

Robert

06 February 2006
But has anyone else noticed how similar David Cameron looks to Michael Schumacher? Wonder if he'll win as much...

On islamophobia and freedom of speech

So by now you will probably have heard about an enormous row going on over some political cartoons published in a danish newspaper. These cartoons were deeply offensive to some muslims, primarily but not exclusively because they depict the prophet Mohammed, something many muslims consider sacreligious (although there is apparently nothing specific in the Koran which says so).

The argument is raging back and forth: is this free speech, or is this religious persecution? Do Danish newspapers have a right to say what they like, or is this "hate speech" that should be illegal, in the same way that Nazis are banned from advocating the killing of Jews? A number of newspapers around Europe have decided the former is correct, and republished the cartoons.

I must say that something has been bugging me about these cartoons, and specifically their republication "in solidarity" (aka to boost readership). But I need to draw a clear distinction between the very first one and all the subsequent ones.

The subsequent ones, while certainly blasphemous under the rule that there can be no depictions of Mohammed in art, are not, in my customarily oh-so-humble opinion, hate speech. They are commentary, on Islamic customs, on violence in the name of Islam, or meta-commentary on the publication of the previous cartoons. Some are just pictures.

The first one, however, is a nasty little bit of what could easily be termed hate speech. I defend equally vociferously its right to be published of course, but I disagree with its sentiment and shocked that respectable publications would pick it up and republish it. It’s as if a protest by some Jews at a Nazi cartoon led to a lot of newspapers reprinting an anti-semitic cartoon: totally within their rights, but in very poor taste.

The reason the debate is getting confused is because both interpretations apply: European newspapers are spreading hate speech, but simultaneously spreading fair commentary. Middle-eastern countries are reacting to the publication of the first, but we are looking at the subsequent ones instead and terming it an over-reaction.

But aren't they overreacting?

When we do something that they consider blasphemous -- like this -- they react with outrage and calls for our government to be overthrown. We think they're crazy and have no right to tell us how to run our lives. It's freedom of speech.

But when they do something we consider evil, like execute gay teenagers, we react with outrage and call for regime change. They think we're crazy, and have no right to tell them how to run their lives. It's freedom of religion. But we somehow think it's different.

Now obviously I think that executing kids is worse than drawing a picture, no matter how offensive that picture may be. But we have to understand that they really, genuinely and sincerely believe exactly the opposite. And our belief that we are in the right is just as arbitrary as theirs. We tend to forget that.

The power of belief

Of course, some will respond that you cannot compare the persecution of homosexuals by Iran with blasphemy and islamophobia perpetrated by the free but irresponsible press of Europe. People are born gay, but you can choose to believe anything you like, right? So it's unfair to persecute people for being gay, or black, or asian, but totally okay to pick on them if we disapprove of their religious beliefs.

I wish that were true. But is it really?

I read an interesting article the other day about the mental processes of political believers. Some scientists were studying the brains of people with strong political beliefs, and they found something quite worrying:

[When presented with information that their chosen political candidate contradicted themselves,] "We did not see any increased activation of the parts of the brain normally engaged during reasoning. ... What we saw instead was a network of emotion circuits lighting up, including circuits hypothesized to be involved in regulating emotion, and circuits known to be involved in resolving conflicts."

Test subjects on both sides of the political aisle reached totally biased conclusions by ignoring information that could not rationally be discounted ... Then, with their minds made up, brain activity ceased in the areas that deal with negative emotions such as disgust. But activity spiked in the circuits involved in reward, a response similar to what addicts experience when they get a fix.

Some beliefs are held so deeply that they are unchangeable without significant mental trauma. There is mounting evidence that certain thought patterns are strongly self-perpetuating: information that reinforces the existing belief produces strong reward feelings, while information that contradicts the belief produces disgust, often leading to anger, which, faced with no other outlet, translates easily into physical retaliation for mental anguish -- because even if you can't make the fact that hurts you go away, you can certainly make the person who's telling you the facts shut up.

The example relates to political beliefs, but the same I’m sure is even more true of religious beliefs, which are frequently much stronger than political ones. You may not be born muslim (although some muslims certainly believe you are), but it's possible that after a certain amount of time, you can't be anything but muslim: any ideas which suggested that Islam was not 100% correct would cause you serious mental distress. At which point attacks on your beliefs are going to be greeted, at a very deep and basic physiological level, with violence. (The Washington Post has a longer article about these mental effects.)

Secular western culture's entire existence is a challenge to the tenets of radical islam. Is there any wonder there's conflict?

Update: Please understand, I am not trying to excuse or explain away the persecution of homosexuals or terrorism in the name of religion. The point I'm trying to make is that a campaign of persuasion, however reasoned, is going to be totally ineffective, as scientific theory predicts and historical records clearly demonstrate, and one of propaganda and diplomatic pressure even less so. Presenting conflicting evidence to someone whose brain is fundamentally wired to reject is only going to provoke them, not placate them. So we need to fundamentally re-think our strategy for dealing with the world of Islamic extremism, and possibly with the religious world in general.

Tom Williams

03 February 2006
I'm normally pretty tolerant of other cultures, and accept that we don't always have the monopoly on the truth. But our belief that we are in the right is not arbitrary at all when it comes to executing people for having consensual sex. Speech cannot physically harm people; religious practices can. That is the difference.

Laurie

03 February 2006
But the point of the research I quoted is that this is not true. Words that contradict strongly-held beliefs *do* cause measurable, physical harm to the brains of listeners.

Updating article slightly...

mcgregor

03 February 2006
Laurie - I thought this was really interesting and well worded. Its a ticky topic and you have covered it really thoughtfully.

I don't think that freedom of speech is an absolute right. We do not have the right to say whatever we like and no almost no democracy does have an absolute right to the freedom of speech. That 'right' is limited by other laws like the ban on incitement to hatred. Therefore it is a judgement call on where the boundary lies. I don't think that it should be against the law to offend people who are of a religious faith - I am a Catholic but I don't have a problem with Jerry Springer style stuff, I think God is big enough to look after himself. However, there is a judgement to be made by journalists. Muslims are already an under-attack community in this country and even more in other EU states. Therefore, would it be wise to inflame tensions further? Obviously not. And shock of shocks - that is the view that UK journos have taken by so far not printing them - and good for them.

On the other point of the two teenagers executed in Iran. I think it is wrong to imply that their execution is an indictment of Islam itself, rather than an indictment of the government of Iran. Islam is no more a homphobic or violent faith than Juduaism or Christianity. It would be crazy to blame Israel's human rights abuses towards the Palestinians as an indictment of the Jewish faith or the execution of mentally ill people in the US as an indictment of followers of Christ.

Anyhoo, enough yapping - really good piece Laurie.

marc

06 February 2006
I forwarded that (workings of the brain) article to folks in my department--its implications are fascinating for work in the humanities. It's amazing that the study was conducted right here at Emory and none of us heard anything about it.

Thanks yet again!

Clare

09 February 2006
I get your point Laurie that a contradiction of strongly held beliefs can affect people's brains in a physical way, but that's just a fact of life. A lot of us have strongly held beliefs, I know mine are offended almost daily by the Daily Mail, but does that necessarily give rise to an extreme violent reaction? When I come accross views that are abhorrent to me, I do feel a physical reaction, and I'm absolutely disgusted, but I would enter into a debate rather than start with death threats. We cannot protect every person with strong beliefs from offense, unless we all live in complete isolation.

Also there is another argument: what is more offensice to Islam - a satirical picture in a newspaper, or violence and murder committed in it's name. Most people (including most Muslims) would argue the latter, as Islam is a religion based on peace. But these extreme Muslims (who in no way represnt the majority - they can only be likened to the BNP) did not protest when mass murder was committed in the name of their basic beliefs. And in some Muslim states, state controlled newspapers routinely publish extremely anti-semetic content, these same countries where the rioting has been at its worst.

Off to pokey

Good to see the BBC maintains high standards of impartiality in reporting while its photo editors continue to have a huge laugh in their coverage of Abu Hamza's trial:

I eat babies. Definitely.

Honestly. Given the man has one eye and hooks for hands, do you really have to go out of your way to make him look even more evil?

Simon

08 February 2006
I agree that the pictures they've displayed in this story of Abu Hamza have been pretty grim, but not groundbreaking. It's sort of unwritten editorial policy that you can't show pictures of suspected/convicted murderers unless they are looking as gloomy and sorry-for-themselves as possible (that iconic image of Myra Hindley springs to mind - of course, she looked nothing like that, especially in later life). And the corollary of that: victims are generally portrayed in as innocent a way as possible. Maybe it's not fair, it's just how it is...

Soft skills

I hated them the moment I saw them.

Sitting together on an early morning tube, her hand enveloped in his as she lay her head on his shoulder. They were pretty in the way that plain people who've had a lifetime of excellent food, little stress and expensive dentistry can be pretty: not naturally striking, but looking as good as someone with their features could possibly look: healthy, well-scrubbed, full of youth. She was thin and dirty blonde, with heavy eye makeup that was carelessly applied. He had mousy brown hair in a carefully-cultivated shaggy mop reaching to his chin.

Without seeing more than their faces, I already knew who I was looking at, but a more careful examination revealed more details. His crumpled suit was very expensive, and peeking out from one of his unbuttoned cuffs was a beautiful and clearly expensive watch of sleek, modern design. Then another member of the same species boarded the train: this one tall, with more faux-shaggy black hair and designer stubble. He knew the pair, greeted them, and they had a brief conversation: "where are you working these days?" "Kensington," said one, "Bank," the other. Where they worked merely added further weight, but their voices confirmed it. The children of privilege, living a selectively bohemian existence in north London, waiting for their careers to take off.

These are not "spoiled rich kids." I dislike that kind too, but this kind are more subtle. They don't live off daddy's money: they just know that it's there, in case they get into real trouble. When they need some medical treatment it'll be on daddy's insurance, and the best quality money can buy. They may be taking the tube to work, but they're wearing expensive cologne they got for christmas and wearing the expensive suit that mother bought for them as well. They don't need daddy's money; they have all the trappings of wealth.

I didn't hate them personally. I'm sure if we met we'd probably get on quite well. I hate what they stand for, the culture they represent. The fact that we'd get along just makes it worse. I hate their understated self-confidence, the rock solid underpinnings of their self-assurance that come from living amongst a whole culture of people who are In Charge. It gives them an attitude, a posture and a tone of voice that will propel them effortlessly through their careers, putting them in charge of people who are smarter and better-qualified than they are who will nevertheless be grateful to have them. Because they have soft skills. People who are promoting them won't have consciously noticed the nice suit, the expensive watch, the cared-for skin, but the way these things combine into an almost visible glow of success is what guarantees them a successful career.

I hate the way the culture you grow up in is one of the best predictors of your future success, over and above your intelligence, education or will to succeed. I hate the way knowing the right person will get you further than being the right person ever could. I loathe the way that they will probably never consciously realise that this is why their life sails along so easily. But above all, I hate the possibility that I may be one of them.

I hate the whole concept of soft skills. I hate even more the way physical possessions subtly affect our interactions with each other. The ability to speak eloquently, to override disagreements with whithering sarcasm or well-timed wit, the cheerful self-confidence of the born manager all irritate me enormously. Because you can't be taught these skills, you can't even really hope to acquire them. You either grew up in an environment where you developed them naturally, or the chances are low that they will ever come to you.

It makes a mockery of all the time and effort I have invested in acquiring my hard, technical skills to know that someone lacking them but better able to communicate their success could overtake me. But even worse is the sneaking suspicion that I may have let myself use these black gifts of persuasion and influence. The nagging doubt at the back of my mind that maybe I'm not as good as I believe I am, maybe I'm just good at telling people how good I am. That doubt poisons my satisfaction whenever somebody thanks me for a job well done or mentions my hard work.

The very existence of these people devalues my own hard-won skills and makes me doubt their authenticity. I hate them of because of the parts of myself I see in them. I hate them because they make me feel like a fake.

Quote of the week

Tom Williams

10 February 2006
I have a moderate-to-high certainty that that's an h2g2 quote...

Chris Purcell

10 February 2006
Yep. Zaphod Beeblebrox talking to a receptionist at the H2G2 buildings on Ursa Minor Beta, trying to get to Zarniwhoop, who was on an intergalactic cruise in his office. (Yes, that was from memory - far too much time wasted as a youth.)

matt

10 February 2006
That was my first thought as well, but on reflection I'm pretty sure Zaphod's line was "You're so unhip it's a wonder your buns don't fall off" which is kind of the opposite. I doubt the author of this quote was ignorant of that, however.

Chris Purcell

11 February 2006
Zaphod has many lines.

Receptionist: "Well, if you'll be a little cool about it..."

Zaphod: "Look, I've had it up to here with cool, okay? I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. Now will you move before I blow it?"

Receptionist: "Just who do you think you are, honey? Zaphod Beeblebrox or something?"

Zaphod: "Count the heads."

The "you're so unhip it's a wonder your bums don't fall off" quip, on the other hand, was to the waiters at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe. Same book, though.

matt

11 February 2006
Darn. Well, when you get to my age you can't expect the memory to hold up. I do remember this from the receptionist scene: "Listen, three eyes. Don't you try to out-weird me, I get stranger things than you free with my breakfast cereal."

While it may be the same book, it's not the same radio series (fit#7 is seriesless, really). So, basically, I was wrong on every count. Something I should probably try to get used to :(

Laurie

12 February 2006
So I write this huge, deeply personal essay on the tyranny of soft skills, and comes back to discover all the comments are on the throwaway one-liner...

Munich

[Spoiler content warning: low. The historical events that are the basis of the movie are mentioned, without any specifics.]

After a frantic day of house cleaning and packing (no actual moving yet... that all happens in two weeks) I caught up with O and went to see Munich. It's excellently acted, very well directed, and has a lot to say. Unfortunately, I fundamentally disagree not with what it says, but the way it says it.

It starts off weakly, with some heavy-handed historical lecturing and clunky plot exposition. It then takes off, covering the endless sequence of assassinations in a gripping and suspenseful manner.

And that is the problem. This is not just some thriller, where you know the excitement is illusory and the dead are just actors. Notwithstanding the large amount of creative licence that has been taken, this a record of real deaths, murders and bombings that actually happened. It doesn't matter whether you agree that those who died deserved it or not; dramatizing the murders in this way is just dancing on graves, and it is both arrogant and distasteful.

In a situation as complicated and emotionally charged as Israel versus Palestine, impartially cannot be expected. But even so, this movie is disgracefully one-sided. The deaths of the eleven Israeli hostages are covered in minute and gory detail, but Israel's immediate retaliatory strikes that killed upwards of 60 Palestinians merit no more than a single line of dialogue, mentioned in passing. To claim impartiality on the basis that both facts are revealed without taking into account the amount of emotional weight given to one and not the other is intellectually dishonest.

What is the message of this film? Is it a cry of anguish at the futile and self-perpetuating nature of the cycle of Israeli-Palestinian violence? Is it a deeper message, that whatever gains one side may make over the other in the struggle are not worth the tremendous emotional costs paid on both sides? Both those messages are there, to be sure. But the overriding, primary message, the one that is genuinely controversial, is actually spoken by one of the main characters early on in the film, and that message is don't fuck with the Jews.

It is a message that is inflammatory and self-defeating. This movie glorifies and idolizes the Israeli struggle at the expense of the equally valid struggle of the Palestinians while masquerading as something more, clinging to the trappings of impartiality and deeper introspection while sacrificing both to a visceral, violent urge for on-screen revenge.

This is a horrible movie, brilliantly executed.

Jon

12 February 2006
Then you weren't paying attention. The film made great pains to show that violence only begat violence and that it would only ever keep going unless someone stops.

The idea that it glorifies anything is absurd. Everyone involved ended up either dead or permenently fucked up as a result.

At worst, the film is equivocal in it's morality. But, IMO, that's entirely appropriate.

Clare

15 February 2006
"this a record of real deaths, murders and bombings that actually happened. It doesn't matter whether you agree that those who died deserved it or not; dramatizing the murders in this way is just dancing on graves, and it is both arrogant and distasteful"

Big deal, a lot of Hollywood films deal with "real" people and "real" deaths. Since when has Hollywood ever been more concerned with portraying events accurately or sensitively than with box office revenues? This is currently a politically sensitive subject matter, but for a long time people have been learning the hollywood version of history, and the deaths of real people have been nothing but entertainment value.

Colin

19 February 2006
Gotta disagree... I don't think the movie was necessarily trying to make an editorial point... which may be a good or bad thing, but I think the fact that it does incite its audience to think and talk about these issues is laudable...

The Vice President Of The United States Shot Someone This Weekend

Actually shot someone, and then just hoped nobody would find out.

Apparently, this was only 2nd-page news in the US today. Hello! Your second-in-command seriously injured someone with a rifle? Is this the kind of wacko you want running your country? Can you imagine if a UK politician did this, how quickly he would be gone? But in the US it's barely even a scandal that he tried to cover it up, far less that he shot someone in the first place.

The United States is fucking crazy.

Update: And if ignoring it doesn't work, why not joke about it? Because it's not like the guy may die from his wounds right? Oh? Oh. [via Ed]

Chez

14 February 2006
Dude, you have heard of "accidents", right?

Carly

14 February 2006
Laurie is right. Accident or not, in the UK he would be history already, and the papers would contain nothing else for days.

Tom Williams

14 February 2006
The Deputy PM deliberately threw a punch at someone in full view of the media. He got a small popularity boost. I don't think accidentally shooting someone would be a problem. Being on the shooting trip in the first place, however, might well be.

ed

14 February 2006
From this side of the Atlantic, I'd say:

1. If you don't have a problem with him being out hunting to begin with, you can't really have much of a problem with the accident. These things happen.

2. To be fair, there hasn't really been a "cover-up." They've dealt with it distastefully by trying to blame the victim, but that's SOP for these people -- we know they have no decency. They didn't come running to the press, but, honestly, I don't see the big deal with that.

Frankly, unlike the Plame stuff or the Abramoff stuff or the Katrina stuff or the Iraq stuff, which are ACTUAL instances of terrible conduct/incompetence, this isn't really much of anything more than a wacky incident (and my, it is wacky.) I'm kind of glad that the media isn't preoccupied with it, as it would distract from the _real_ problems, which are plentiful.

ed

14 February 2006
Also, with this whole heart attack thing, the story is now at the top of the news pile on NYT and CNN. So no more whinging.

No Smoking

I am going smoke-free clubbing this Friday. HURRAH for the nanny-state! Fuck you all, nicotine-fiends!

This is selfish and illiberal and a bad general trend, but whatever, I never said I wasn't a hypocrite.

Update: *cough* And by "this Friday," I of course mean "this Friday in summer of 2007," which is of course when the ban comes into effect. I knew that. Of course I did. I don't post links without reading past the first paragraph, that would be irresponsible.

Josh

14 February 2006
Sadly the ban is not with immediate effect.

Bob

15 February 2006
But, hello, why the hell not? How long does it take? The industry has known about the possibility for some considerable time and, hello, you don't have to do *anything*! Just *remove* the ash trays. If it takes a year and half to put this into effect , no wonder legislation with more substantial material effects takes a long time to put through. A year and a half! To chuck out your ash trays?

ed

16 February 2006
Congrats! I'm looking forward to visiting in 2007 and not having some smoker light up at the table next to mine when I'm just trying to have some tea and whatnot.

You should expect a certain amount of disobedience, though. Here in NY, there are quite a few bars (esp. outside Manhattan) that allow smoking once it gets past 10 or 11. You better hope PopRocks doesn't adopt that policy.

Laurie

17 February 2006
You mean Popstarz. Poprocks is the one in NYC. Also, Miss-Shapes NYC was definitely in flagrant violation of the ban, much to my annoyance.

igster

03 March 2006
It's true!

We all sit round drinking tea at popstarz!

Until 12, when Mrs Doubtfire picks us up in a Bentley and drives us back to pater's country house, what what!

On hold

I'm a little bit too busy with work and moving house to blog about anything or, indeed, think about anything. Friday is the big day, folks.

Racism is a crime; being a racist is not

British "holocaust denier" David Irving has been given a 3-year jail sentence for denying, in 1989, that the gas chambers existed at Auschwitz.

This is important, for a lot of reasons.

Firstly, it's important to note that he's being punished for something he said 17 years ago, and which he retracted 15 years ago. In 1991, he read the Eichmann papers, he stopped saying that the Nazis had not killed millions of Jews, and instead admitted -- and continues to admit -- that they did. So, is it still "holocaust denial" if you retract your statements? Exactly are we punishing here?

And what is the crime of Holocaust denial? Because it seems like you're punishing speech, and a strangely particular piece of speech. Eleven countries in Europe have laws specifically against denying the existence of the Holocaust. That's a very, very specific piece of anti-semitism. Why is it that this piece of speech is so abhorrent as to require specific legislation, while other sorts of speech -- even hate speech -- are okay?

Which is of course where this ties into recent events, specifically the row over anti-Islamic cartoons. I have to tread carefully to avoid upsetting anyone here, and may fail to do so, but one has to ask: what exactly is the difference between these two bits of speech? Why is one so offensive that eleven separate countries passed a law against it, but protests against the other were considered such an attack on free speech that other papers published these extremely offensive cartoons "in solidarity"? Is it simply a matter of degree? How evil does the speech have to be, exactly, before you can write a law against it? Can you give me a number? Because if you can't then it's subjective, and that opens a huge can of worms.

I don't like the concept of the crime of "holocaust denial". It seems like a stupid thing to legislate against, legislating against a symbol instead of the problem itself, akin to banning hoodies in an attempt to bar criminal youths. What you'd really like to punish is racism, but that's a thought, and you can't ban them, and you've already banned racist violence, so instead you find this populist sop of banning one particular piece of speech. You're left with this bizarre situation where it's illegal to say the Nazis never killed 6 million Jews, but totally legal to say "yes they did, and it's great!" -- but only as long as you don't add "And now let's kill some more!" I don't like it that racists say evil things, but I don't think we should be allowed to legally bar them from doing so.

And the reason it's a bad idea to ban one piece of speech is precisely the one we've run into in the last few weeks. If you ban only one bit of hate speech, the people against whom hate speech is not banned will feel justly discriminated against. And if you go the other way, and attempt to ban all hate speech, you will be soundly defeated, because it's a broad enough attack on free speech to piss off everyone. So you cannot ban just one piece of speech, and you cannot ban one type of speech.

So as offensive as it is, you must allow people to deny the truth about the horrors inflicted upon the Jews, and these holocaust denial laws must be struck down. And honestly, is this such a bad thing? What are these laws achieving? Do we think that anti-semites, deprived of the ability to say one particular offensive thing, suddenly stop being anti-semites, or even stop believing that thing? If anything, dignifying these ridiculous denials of reality with specific legislation merely adds credence to those who claim there is some sort of conspiracy -- if it's the truth, then the truth stands for itself, so why do we need a law to back it up?

David Irving does not strike me as a nice man. His speech and his words smack of racism and hypocrisy of the worst kind, and his snivelling words of retraction on television seemed insincere. But being a racist is not a crime, and nor is stating your racist, erroneous opinions, as we widely and correctly decided during the cartoons controversy. You cannot legislate against thought, and all these holocaust denial laws do not end racist thought anyway. All they do is make us look like hypocrites in the eyes of the islamic world.

And until these laws are struck down, the reason we will look like hypocrites is because we are.

M

21 February 2006
I'm confused by your use of the word "we" in this piece. Irving was convicted under Austrian law, not British law, holocuast denial is not a crime in the UK. When you say "we are hypocrites" who do you mean?

Laurie

21 February 2006
I was referring to Europe as a whole. 11 countries other than Austria have similar laws, and the UK only just avoided having an even broader law (the religious hate bill).

Clare

22 February 2006
These laws exist simply as a product of Holocaust guilt, whereby the collective victims of one of the largest atrocities in history are given special treatment by those who were unable to stop it. it's the same phenomena that means an Isreali soldier who shoots a Palestinian is said to have killed in the line of duty, but a Palestinian man fighting for the freedom of his nation who kills an Israeli is called a terrorist.

Does the law achieve anything? No, probably not. but I don't think it's black and white.

On one hand, this man is a historian, and he presented an argument that challenged the consensus. Any historian will tell you there is no such thing as historical truth, all we can do is interpret the evidence. What this man did was give a very flawed and biased interpretation of some very flawed evidence. He's by no means the only historian to do this.

tbc

Clare

22 February 2006
Contd...

On the other hand, freedom of speech is not universal, there are several restrictions on it. If I were to publish an article saying that the Muslim Council of Great Britain tortured Christians, I would be taken to court. There are thousands of cases of libel in Britain every year, because it is not ok to publish a lie. And I think we can all agree this is what Irving did.

So should this guy should have been put in prison? No, because I don't think it achieves anything. But it's not simply a case of freedom of speech.

Incidentally on the BBC discussion board on this topic, responding to the question 'Should Holocaust denial be illegal?' one man (a muslim) responded something along the lines of 'No, because it never happened, it was a lie made up by the Jews. The Jews lie and deceive and Europe believes.' now this man has heard this somewhere. In Arab countries articles to the same effect appear regularly in stat-controlled newspapers. Should this kind of preaching be allowed to happen? It's an interesting thought.

Laurie

23 February 2006
I think whether or not other states allow one to print anti-semitic propaganda without punishment is irrelevant. The question is: should we be punishing one sort of lie and not punishing the other? Because that is what these laws make it appear that we do.

matthew

23 February 2006
Interesting piece Laurie - your blog is getting as high brow at the Spectator ;-)

Just wondering: what moves you to support the freedom to be racist, but not the freedom to smoke?

Is there a principle behind these views, or is it disliking the smell of smoke more than the sound of racism? Just asking....

ed

23 February 2006
Britain may not have holocaust denial laws, but you do have rather excessive libel laws, which are a much broader and much worse (IMO) restriction on free speech.

Artemis

23 February 2006
"what moves you to support the freedom to be racist, but not the freedom to smoke? "

ah but you see - it does make sense a little. one is the freedom to *say* the other is a freedom to *do*.

marc

26 February 2006
Hope moving went well :-)

I just posted the draft description of the course I told you about (back when you posted about the Brights) on my blog. If you've got a minute, check it out and let me know what you think/if you've got any suggestions. They'd be greatly appreciated.

momeaga dot blogspot dot com

Clare

27 February 2006
But if you're comparing the cartoons published in denmark to what Irving has to say, you are not comparing like for like. One is a satirical comment to be interpretted by the reader, the other is an outright lie presented as fact.

Separate to this though, people often quote Freedom of Speech as our most important right. I don't want to live in a censored society, but at the same time I don't consider freedom of speech anywhere near as important as my right to live my life without being told I'm deviant, going to hell or unsafe to be around children. There are laws protecting me from having to listen to racist/sexist/homophobic jokes all day in my office, and I'd much rather have that than have a bigotted colleague with free reign to insult as many people as he likes with no recourse. There is no easy answer, and there is not necessarily a clear line to be drawn, but freedom of speech must have its limits.

Racist

26 August 2008
So what if someone is a racist ? Being a racist is not the worst thing you can be in this world. So what if you have pre-concieved notions about people based on their race ? You could be wrong, you could be right - but so effing what ? It doesnt mean you want to start the 4th Reich or anything. It may just mean that you hope your daughter marries someone of the same race. Is that fair, or right ? No, but so what ? Being a racist has been made to sound like it's the worst thing you can be in this life - its not. And yeah, its true - I live in NYC, and at night when I see a bunch of black kids being loud, joking around, and basically owning the street they are walking down - you effing bet I try to quietly cross the street. The statistics alone give me good reason to do so, why take the chance ? To feel morally superior to all the "racists" out there ? Screw that. Maybe Im wrong, and if I am - whats the harm ? I crossed the street and may have assumed some kids were criminals when they werent ? Ok, sorry. But if Im right and I dont cross the street - whats the harm ? I could be dead. I think Ill cross the street and take the chance that I may hurt someones feelings, rather than be dead. Guess Im a racist.

We have liftoff

As usual, when I write about work, I am expressing my own opinions and not necessarily those of my employer.

So my week from hell became my ten days from hell, as my house moving overlapped with a huge deadline at work. But it's all over now: I've moved into the Ultimate 80s Flat (pictures to follow) and tonight, we finally launched the new Yahoo! UK mobile site as well as the German version. It's nothing ground-breaking, but it was a hell of a lot of work. So go! Buy ringtones without a pesky subscription!

Alasdair

01 March 2006
Have you vanished off the face of the earth?! You're not on MSN and you ignored my SMS message :P